Completed CallidusFox's TTT Report Against Goat

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CallidusFox

CallidusFox

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Legendary
Your IGN
Callidus Fox​
Your SteamID
76561198069996842​
Reported Player's IGN
Goat​
Reported Player's SteamID
STEAM_0:0:201607391​
Time & Time Zone
America/New_York​
Map(s) incident occured
ttt_rooftops_2016_v1​
Reason for Report
As detective Goat watched another player (Dryses77) carrying the TNT and planting it on the hotel, and upon Dryses77 being kosed and fired on, he killed me for KOSing him to let him continue planting TNT with Dryses77 admitting to planting the TnT​
Evidence and Witnessess

Attempted to report in game but was told it was invalid and completely allowed by Rick Sanchez
 
Noctorious said:
It sounds like you should be reporting @Rick Sanchez and the staff member(s) overseeing his report conclusions
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Didnt think perceived bad calls from a T-Mod warranted a report against the staff. Was more going for review of the incidents from more experienced staff.

Just brought up the invalid reports in game so its upfront about that they happened
 
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CallidusFox said:
Your IGN
Callidus Fox​
Your SteamID
76561198069996842​
Reported Player's IGN
Goat​
Reported Player's SteamID
STEAM_0:0:201607391​
Time & Time Zone
America/New_York​
Map(s) incident occured
ttt_rooftops_2016_v1​
Reason for Report
As detective Goat watched another player (Dryses77) carrying the TNT and planting it on the hotel, and upon Dryses77 being kosed and fired on, he killed me for KOSing him to let him continue planting TNT with Dryses77 admitting to planting the TnT​
Evidence and Witnessess
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Attempted to report in game but was told it was invalid and completely allowed by Rick Sanchez
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forgot to mention. Also probably game throwing since they were helping commit traitorous acts as a detective
 
Hey, the so-called offender here. You were killed by me because you initiated a gunfight on someone. You started shooting someone else, period. You can be KOS'd for shooting at anyone. As the Detective, if you see someone open fire on someone who isn't attacking anyone, it's pretty evident who the aggressor and most likely who the T is.

The fact that there were staff online at the time of the supposed offense, and the report was marked as invalid, yet you still carried on with filing a whole forum report, is genuinely surprising to say the least
 
SmellyGoatThing said:
Hey, the so-called offender here. You were killed by me because you initiated a gunfight on someone. You started shooting someone else, period. You can be KOS'd for shooting at anyone. As the Detective, if you see someone open fire on someone who isn't attacking anyone, it's pretty evident who the aggressor and most likely who the T is.

The fact that there were staff online at the time of the supposed offense, and the report was marked as invalid, yet you still carried on with filing a whole forum report, is genuinely surprising to say the least
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All as shown in the video posted above.

The person who was shot at was kosed for traitorous actions. They also verbally said they were doing said actions. Several times. For this. They were KOSed. You personally saw them doing this traitorous activities and chose to kill the person who was trying to stop them to assist them in completing a traitor objective. Which as a detective. Helping traitors complete traitor objectives is game throwing.

You then proceeded to laugh about it while the person doing said traitorous acts continued to verbally state they were doing so which you allowed them to continue.

At the very LEAST this is blatant Toxic gameplay and gamethrowing by every part of the rules I can see in both the main and expanded rules lists here on the forums.
 
CallidusFox said:
All as shown in the video posted above.

The person who was shot at was kosed for traitorous actions. They also verbally said they were doing said actions. Several times. For this. They were KOSed. You personally saw them doing this traitorous activities and chose to kill the person who was trying to stop them to assist them in completing a traitor objective. Which as a detective. Helping traitors complete traitor objectives is game throwing.

You then proceeded to laugh about it while the person doing said traitorous acts continued to verbally state they were doing so which you allowed them to continue.

At the very LEAST this is blatant Toxic gameplay and gamethrowing by every part of the rules I can see in both the main and expanded rules lists here on the forums.
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Uh huh
 
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CallidusFox said:
All as shown in the video posted above.

The person who was shot at was kosed for traitorous actions. They also verbally said they were doing said actions. Several times. For this. They were KOSed. You personally saw them doing this traitorous activities and chose to kill the person who was trying to stop them to assist them in completing a traitor objective. Which as a detective. Helping traitors complete traitor objectives is game throwing.

You then proceeded to laugh about it while the person doing said traitorous acts continued to verbally state they were doing so which you allowed them to continue.

At the very LEAST this is blatant Toxic gameplay and gamethrowing by every part of the rules I can see in both the main and expanded rules lists here on the forums.
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Let me be clear. The only reason he was KOS'd was because you KOS'd him for doing a map easter egg. I did absolutely laugh because I threw your Un-ID'd corpse over the ledge- which was hilarious to do. I also declared 'NO FUN' after laughing at you, because you were essentially KOS'ing someone for doing something fun.

For all intents and purposes, I had very fair grounds to assume you were a Traitor, and thus your 'game throwing' accusation is silly. Secondly, your claim of 'Toxicity' because I laughed at you and said "Fun Police"? At any rate it seems more likely you more dislike me as a personality, as that is the lightest of verbal offense anyone could commit against another. I recommend muting me in game if my mere laughter bothers you. Or grow some skin.
 
CallidusFox said:
attaching rules regarding rooftops map as seen here https://giantslair.com/threads/ttt-extended-rules.39/


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As already stated, I knew what he was doing was traitorous. However as already known, regardless if the target you shoot out is KOS'd, or T-Baiting, or otherwise committing a Traitorous act, YOU YOURSELF can be KOS'd immediately for shooting at people. This was explained to you already by the staff in-game, myself, and now myself yet again.

edit: And, to follow-up, in my own opinion, aiding in a "Traitorous" map easter egg is way less offensive than blatantly opening fire on someone who isn't shooting at anyone. That is very fair a social deduction.
 
SmellyGoatThing said:
As already stated, I knew what he was doing was traitorous. However as already known, regardless if the target you shoot out is KOS'd, or T-Baiting, or otherwise committing a Traitorous act, YOU YOURSELF can be KOS'd immediately for shooting at people. This was explained to you already by the staff in-game, myself, and now myself yet again.

edit: And, to follow-up, in my own opinion, aiding in a "Traitorous" map easter egg is way less offensive than blatantly opening fire on someone who isn't shooting at anyone. That is very fair a social deduction.
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I'm not arguing this with you over a forums thread.

I've stated my side.
I've provided clear video evidence.
I can provide more at any time as I have the entire day saved to a file.

You've so far argued and admitted to game throwing/toxic gameplay and tried to say this is a personal issue. Which, It was never a personal issue. Which should be obvious as this is the first negative anything I've had with you, and had forgiven or disregarded several blatant random murders in the past as you've seemed chill.
 
CallidusFox said:
I'm not arguing this with you over a forums thread.

I've stated my side.
I've provided clear video evidence.
I can provide more at any time as I have the entire day saved to a file.

You've so far argued and admitted to game throwing/toxic gameplay and tried to say this is a personal issue. Which, It was never a personal issue. Which should be obvious as this is the first negative anything I've had with you, and had forgiven or disregarded several blatant random murders in the past as you've seemed chill.
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Unfortunately, taking the time of day to write paragraphs of debate over what would be a 1-autoslay petty offense, is a pretty personal issue. Calling someone 'Toxic' for laughing after killing you in a humorous manner, is a personal issue, and when you had realized you were in the wrong and that the original instance of the report was false (A minor report over RDM), you resorted to whatever lame definition in the rulebook you could find to try and make yourself seem to be in the right. Indeed you are correct, until now you have had very little issue in my eyes, however after I've seen this sort of behavior out of you, my view has certainly changed.

Fortunately however, further jokes you can remotely perceive at your expense and therefore 'toxic' will no longer be made in the future as I've realized you are not fit to receive them.

At no point have I admitted to your petty, grasping accusations. Instead I've rivaled them in thorough explanation while you childishly stuff words in my mouth. I will no longer be arguing on this thread either as my case has been made quite clear. From now on consider this a DNI (Do-Not-Interact) case, I have no further interest in interacting with you in game or on-forums. I do hope this prevents further altercations between us in the future.
 
Well that was a fun read. I talked with Park a little bit to get the full story, but honestly, @CallidusFox - you're right, all we need is here, so I can go ahead and wrap this up.

There's really three components here that was discussed:
  • Whether this was RDM or not. Sounds like y'all already worked this one out and everyone agrees and realize it isn't. The true question is whether it is game throwing, which falls under the realm of toxic gameplay. Which leads to the next two actions:
  • Whether Goat's kill on Callidus Fox was gamethrowing/toxic gameplay.
  • Whether throwing the body over the edge of the building as a detective without it being ID'd falls under game throwing/toxic gameplay.

So first- the kill on Fox. This one I feel is teetering right on the edge. Emotions aside- @SmellyGoatThing is right. Just because someone is KOS'd does not inherently mean that it shields the person who called the KOS from any action. While it may be shitty gameplay to deduce that the shooting is worst offense than carrying the TNT, we don't necessarily punish players for being shit at the game. For this instance, while again, I do think it is teetering the line of game throwing- I just don't see that it is quite there based on Goat's statements here based on this situation alone.

Now, for throwing the body off the side of the building. This is where I do have a problem in conjunction with the previous scenario. If the goal here was to try to get the least offender to figure out who the traitor here - the proper line of action would be to ID Fox's body to see he was a traitor. By throwing the body off the side of the building, this does effectively and purposely hurt the inno's progress towards the round that does seem to intentional. This does fall under game throwing.

Game throwing triggers a whole range of actions, usually just starting at a warning- but repeated actions can lead to a ban. So, for this one, I don't see it needing anything more than a warning. @SmellyGoatThing - don't do that again.

Lastly.... on both ends I think a couple of chill pills is in order. It's a game y'all. If you allow yourself to get pressed over some pretty small stuff like this, just in general, you're not going to have a great time. This shouldn't have been such a big discussion here, this is a pretty minor scenario overall. Try to have some fun. :)
 
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