Denied ZeyalonTV's TTT Staff Application

[ZeyalonTV]

Game

Garry's Mod

Your IGN
ZeyalonTV
Your SteamID
76561198021349233
Discord Tag
zeyalontv
Your Age
28
Your Time Zone
EST
Previous staffing experience
I co-owned Drunken T community with a guy named holygoalie, and had been admin and superadmin in several different communities back in that day.
Why should you be considered for a moderator position?
1. Do you meet all the minimum requirements listed in the Requirements Thread?
YES
If not, please explain which requirement(s) you don’t meet and why.


2. Why do you want to join the Giants Lair staff team?
I am on all the time ever since I found the server I play daily, I'd love to help keep the balance and fun thriving in the server on top of making sure no other staff try and control the environment in negative ways or let their buddies RDM without slaying. which I've seen already but not very often and I'm sure those people will be weeded out.

3. What skills or experiences do you bring to the team?
(e.g., past staffing, conflict resolution, technical knowledge, etc.)

I used to know how to work with LUA but it's been a very long time but I'd be willing to dive back into it for this server, I also have a pretty substantial resume of staffing and TTT community experience. Also this means I wouldn't need much training at all


4. How active are you across our platforms (GMod, Discord, Forums)?
Provide a breakdown if possible.
I usually hop in the general chat on discord once a day but can easily increase that, I play on the server everyday usually for at least 2 hours. and I just hit 20 hours on the server quickly increasing. I don't leave my acc AFK to get the hours either it's all pure game time.

5. How much time can you realistically dedicate to staffing per week?

Well as a staff member I could increase the daily activity another few hours or if I need to I can periodically hop on or stay in the server and hop in when I'm needed for slays or bans ect.


6. How well do you handle pressure, criticism, or heated situations?

I like to handle every situation with logic and I'm not gonna let somebody belligerently yelling at me or trying to poke at me cause me to create an even more toxic situation. Also If I do something the wrong way then criticism is always welcomed to me

7. How would you describe your conflict resolution style

REASON, LOGIC, FAIR, someone can always be brought onto the same perspective if they're talked to correctly.

8. Are you familiar with the TTT server rules and general community standards?

Yes I am but most importantly PROFESSIONALISM/ACTIVITY/COMMITMENT

9. What does your punishment history (if any) look like on our servers?
Be honest — transparency is appreciated.

I don't even think I've been slayed to be honest, haven't had any punishment history that I can think of.

10. What is your reputation like within the community?
Can you name any reputable players or staff who would vouch for you?

Espurr-Uncle Dad-Agennon-Obama-Saturnity-SiddoSnow

These are the people I have seen the most on the servers and even have the last 2 added as friends, I feel like I'm pretty laid back and I like to joke around maybe get a little weird. Overall, I do like a fair and non-toxic environment to play in. I've already been in situations like when JERRY entered the server and was being shunned for being an old man I immediately decided to show the guy some love so he could have some fun on the server after that everyone loved jerry, hopefully he'll be back. I've played in majority of the servers available on G-mod and currently none of them even compare to the fun I've had on this server already and I can't wait to see everything this servers brings to the table. And I hope that so far I've made a rather great impression of myself.

 

[Husky]

Hello, Zeyalon. Thank you for taking the time to post an application to our forum.

I have a question for you to answer if that's alright.

I had a situation with you in the past regarding a situation you had thought was RDM.

To put it into perspective, you were in the process of shooting at another player, which even with a valid reason to shoot that player gives me the right to shoot you in that moment. While neither of us were slay (neither you for the original kill nor myself for shooting you for shooting said player), you proceeded to argue with me and believed strongly that it was RDM.

If staff, how would you handle situations like this? Sometimes being staff is taking the high road and trying to present your decisions in a professional manner not everyone can or wants to understand.

Thank you for your time.

 

[ZeyalonTV]

well, this is an unfortunate comment, but I respect it. I actually Distinctively remember you and the situation you're talking about. Where you didn't get slayed and your friend was trying to back you up that it wasn't RDM. and I pretty Much had both of you aggressively trying to persuade me that it wasn't RDM. on the contrary, I just got done killing a T and in the same moment I began getting shot at by another T causing me to hide behind a box. You came around the corner and said " why is there an unidentified body" and before I could even reply via voice chat I took 2 steps towards the body to ID because the shots stopped coming around corner down the hall where the second T was and you shot me down before I could ID or even reply and this was all within moments. I feel like I handled it very professionally under the circumstances of not even being a staff member as I lead the conversation into a TED talk about how accountability is important. You were trigger happy and that's understandable, If the person in my shoes really wanted you slayed then, as a staff member, I would uphold the rules and make you sit out a round. you're actually one of the situations that I'm mentioning in my Application here but not the main one but I didn't want to disturb anyone's name or reputation but understandably you've forced my hand to give a true and honest response revolving around the situation where we couldn't agree on whether or not you rdm'ed me and I understand that mistakes happen and it's easy to pull the trigger which is why I prefer to let bygones be bygones especially if it's an rdm on me. but if somebody felt otherwise like I said I would respect whether or not they want to commit to the RDM report and I would thoroughly look at the DMG and statistics of what happened, plus in situations like that I believe there are ways to actually see what happened but I don't know if they have that implemented in the server yet. I hope my honest answer doesn't leave a sour taste in your mouth or feel like I'm attacking you in anyway, I'm sure we will end up being good friends hope you're having a good day. ---- PS I would probably try and talk the victim into understanding that it was an accident and also just ask you to try and be more careful next time to prevent these situations but they are gonna happen every now and then

 

[Siddo]

well, this is an unfortunate comment, but I respect it. I actually Distinctively remember you and the situation you're talking about. Where you didn't get slayed and your friend was trying to back you up that it wasn't RDM. and I pretty Much had both of you aggressively trying to persuade me that it wasn't RDM. on the contrary, I just got done killing a T and in the same moment I began getting shot at by another T causing me to hide behind a box. You came around the corner and said " why is there an unidentified body" and before I could even reply via voice chat I took 2 steps towards the body to ID because the shots stopped coming around corner down the hall where the second T was and you shot me down before I could ID or even reply and this was all within moments. I feel like I handled it very professionally under the circumstances of not even being a staff member as I lead the conversation into a TED talk about how accountability is important. You were trigger happy and that's understandable, If the person in my shoes really wanted you slayed then, as a staff member, I would uphold the rules and make you sit out a round. you're actually one of the situations that I'm mentioning in my Application here but not the main one but I didn't want to disturb anyone's name or reputation but understandably you've forced my hand to give a true and honest response revolving around the situation where we couldn't agree on whether or not you rdm'ed me and I understand that mistakes happen and it's easy to pull the trigger which is why I prefer to let bygones be bygones especially if it's an rdm on me. but if somebody felt otherwise like I said I would respect whether or not they want to commit to the RDM report and I would thoroughly look at the DMG and statistics of what happened, plus in situations like that I believe there are ways to actually see what happened but I don't know if they have that implemented in the server yet. I hope my honest answer doesn't leave a sour taste in your mouth or feel like I'm attacking you in anyway, I'm sure we will end up being good friends hope you're having a good day. ---- PS I would probably try and talk the victim into understanding that it was an accident and also just ask you to try and be more careful next time to prevent these situations but they are gonna happen every now and then

So, reading your response here, I actually feel compelled to chime in - 'cause I think I was there for this specific situation as well, incl. the discussion that happened after.
I think both at the time and now, you didn't handle it the best.

I think Husky's kill was fairly reasonable - both in the rules and in the situation between the two of you, for which I saw the death scene play out.
And I also think it was very reasonable that you under the circumstances you were in, felt like an aggressive kill by Husky.
Staff do not handle their own reports when other members of staff are online; if Husky had RDM'd, we would have held him accountable for it. If Husky had been on alone, RDM'd, and handled his own report, he would've held himself accountable for it.

Because I absolutely agree accountability is important - integrity and fair play equally so. The staff team as a whole would unequivocally agree.
But to me reading your response here - it feels like your perspective is a little rigid and inflexible. That even now, long after the heat of the situation has died down, you still struggle to truly see Husky's perspective in that encounter - calling it trigger-happy and speaking to your points about accountability again, like Husky weaved out of getting a slay instead of being accountable for his actions. That may be me misunderstanding what you're trying to say, it's how it reads to me.

Being firm in your stance isn't inherently wrong or bad, but an inflexible perspective can cause a lot of discussions and arguments when acting as a moderator, rather than defusing the situation. It's easy to focus on being right and getting into the weeds of it. Unfortunately, that generally speaking only adds negativity to the server's atmosphere. Personally, my experience as staff has been that one only needs to state the rules once. The rest is being appreciative of how it can still be frustrating to get killed/slain/whatever for something. Because that is the crux of the issue; not whether it's right or wrong according to the rules, but how it feels to the player. A point I think may resonate with you, because of your experience of that situation being unfair.

I hope you'll mull it over a little, even if you don't fully agree with what I've said here - which would be fine to disagree with. I think improving the way you communicate in those disagreements would serve you well both as a player and a (perhaps) staff member <3

 

[ZeyalonTV]

So, reading your response here, I actually feel compelled to chime in - 'cause I think I was there for this specific situation as well, incl. the discussion that happened after.
I think both at the time and now, you didn't handle it the best.

I think Husky's kill was fairly reasonable - both in the rules and in the situation between the two of you, for which I saw the death scene play out.
And I also think it was very reasonable that you under the circumstances you were in, felt like an aggressive kill by Husky.
Staff do not handle their own reports when other members of staff are online; if Husky had RDM'd, we would have held him accountable for it. If Husky had been on alone, RDM'd, and handled his own report, he would've held himself accountable for it.

Because I absolutely agree accountability is important - integrity and fair play equally so. The staff team as a whole would unequivocally agree.
But to me reading your response here - it feels like your perspective is a little rigid and inflexible. That even now, long after the heat of the situation has died down, you still struggle to truly see Husky's perspective in that encounter - calling it trigger-happy and speaking to your points about accountability again, like Husky weaved out of getting a slay instead of being accountable for his actions. That may be me misunderstanding what you're trying to say, it's how it reads to me.

Being firm in your stance isn't inherently wrong or bad, but an inflexible perspective can cause a lot of discussions and arguments when acting as a moderator, rather than defusing the situation. It's easy to focus on being right and getting into the weeds of it. Unfortunately, that generally speaking only adds negativity to the server's atmosphere. Personally, my experience as staff has been that one only needs to state the rules once. The rest is being appreciative of how it can still be frustrating to get killed/slain/whatever for something. Because that is the crux of the issue; not whether it's right or wrong according to the rules, but how it feels to the player. A point I think may resonate with you, because of your experience of that situation being unfair.

I hope you'll mull it over a little, even if you don't fully agree with what I've said here - which would be fine to disagree with. I think improving the way you communicate in those disagreements would serve you well both as a player and a (perhaps) staff member <3

Well, I do have to admit I do feel singled out by the 2 of you. Not only did you team up in that situation and instead of letting it be an agree to disagree. You've brought the situation with you and onto the comment section of my application. If there were truly any real concerns about the situation I would understand, but we're going off he said she said and if you had watched the the death scene play out, then you would have noticed that husky saw that I was getting shot at, and instead of asking questions or shooting at the person who's shooting full auto from down the hall. He turns his sights on me and immediately pulls the trigger just because a dead body is around, you're supposed to ID the body before killing unless the person is actively trying to kill you or you heard the murder happen from right around the corner, which isn't the case here, there was a 1 sided fire fight and husky decided to shoot the EZ kill who was 1 hp simple as that. and you're telling me I need to work on having a flexible opinion? I am the victim in that scenario and yet here you are trying to enforce your opinion with no flexibility, I find it kind of hypocritical and can easily create toxic environments within communities especially when you're ganging on up someone with a false scenario painted to make you look correct. When I joined that server the people on there were already complaining about you 2 just rdming, but I knew it was weird hours and barely anyone was online so I didn't make a fuss about it other than asking you 2 to stop so I could enjoy my time. My opinion stands and I've been incredibly respectful, but I appreciate your care towards how I communicate with people, but I honestly think you should work on not belittling the way other people communicate just because their ideas don't coincide with yours. Even if my opinion and standing up for myself even over a silly situation causes me to not have an approved application then so be it, either way I look forward to continuing playing on the server and having a good time. thanks for your time

 

[ZeyalonTV]

So, reading your response here, I actually feel compelled to chime in - 'cause I think I was there for this specific situation as well, incl. the discussion that happened after.
I think both at the time and now, you didn't handle it the best.

I think Husky's kill was fairly reasonable - both in the rules and in the situation between the two of you, for which I saw the death scene play out.
And I also think it was very reasonable that you under the circumstances you were in, felt like an aggressive kill by Husky.
Staff do not handle their own reports when other members of staff are online; if Husky had RDM'd, we would have held him accountable for it. If Husky had been on alone, RDM'd, and handled his own report, he would've held himself accountable for it.

Because I absolutely agree accountability is important - integrity and fair play equally so. The staff team as a whole would unequivocally agree.
But to me reading your response here - it feels like your perspective is a little rigid and inflexible. That even now, long after the heat of the situation has died down, you still struggle to truly see Husky's perspective in that encounter - calling it trigger-happy and speaking to your points about accountability again, like Husky weaved out of getting a slay instead of being accountable for his actions. That may be me misunderstanding what you're trying to say, it's how it reads to me.

Being firm in your stance isn't inherently wrong or bad, but an inflexible perspective can cause a lot of discussions and arguments when acting as a moderator, rather than defusing the situation. It's easy to focus on being right and getting into the weeds of it. Unfortunately, that generally speaking only adds negativity to the server's atmosphere. Personally, my experience as staff has been that one only needs to state the rules once. The rest is being appreciative of how it can still be frustrating to get killed/slain/whatever for something. Because that is the crux of the issue; not whether it's right or wrong according to the rules, but how it feels to the player. A point I think may resonate with you, because of your experience of that situation being unfair.

I hope you'll mull it over a little, even if you don't fully agree with what I've said here - which would be fine to disagree with. I think improving the way you communicate in those disagreements would serve you well both as a player and a (perhaps) staff member <3

Also siddo, I recommend not banning someone right after 1 voice chat warning over spamming. that kid was just having a good time earlier and you didn't even let the GAG for 1 round play out. I was trying to talk to him and have him chill out because he seemed funny and cool. I don't think you should be so quick to ban someone, it's a little harsh. I'd understand if he was being racist or something, but he would only tease those things he never really said anything racist. But that's just my opinion he just started annoying you guys by talking so much and playing noises which is understandable to tell him to stop.

 

[Siddo]

Well, I do have to admit I do feel singled out by the 2 of you. Not only did you team up in that situation and instead of letting it be an agree to disagree. You've brought the situation with you and onto the comment section of my application. If there were truly any real concerns about the situation I would understand, but we're going off he said she said and if you had watched the the death scene play out, then you would have noticed that husky saw that I was getting shot at, and instead of asking questions or shooting at the person who's shooting full auto from down the hall. He turns his sights on me and immediately pulls the trigger just because a dead body is around, you're supposed to ID the body before killing unless the person is actively trying to kill you or you heard the murder happen from right around the corner, which isn't the case here, there was a 1 sided fire fight and husky decided to shoot the EZ kill who was 1 hp simple as that. and you're telling me I need to work on having a flexible opinion? I am the victim in that scenario and yet here you are trying to enforce your opinion with no flexibility, I find it kind of hypocritical and can easily create toxic environments within communities especially when you're ganging on up someone with a false scenario painted to make you look correct. When I joined that server the people on there were already complaining about you 2 just rdming, but I knew it was weird hours and barely anyone was online so I didn't make a fuss about it other than asking you 2 to stop so I could enjoy my time. My opinion stands and I've been incredibly respectful, but I appreciate your care towards how I communicate with people, but I honestly think you should work on not belittling the way other people communicate just because their ideas don't coincide with yours. Even if my opinion and standing up for myself even over a silly situation causes me to not have an approved application then so be it, either way I look forward to continuing playing on the server and having a good time. thanks for your time

I think you may have me confused with Thorn in the Husky situation, as Thorn was the moderator who handled the report and also responded to you in that discussion. I just happened to be on the server.

That said; I'm sincerely sorry if you felt like the way I responded here was in any way belittling you. That was not my intention. If I did something to make you feel belittled; I'm sorry. I tried to make it clear that I am not out to invalidate what you saw and experienced. That it is and was explicitly fine to disagree with my perspective.
Nevertheless, I would hate to leave it as some false scenario painted to make myself - or anyone else on the staff team - look correct or infallible. So I've gone ahead and dug through my recordings to try and find the situation. I misremembered and did not in fact look at the death scene as it was Thorn who handled the report. Thorn had already closed it by the time I died and I did not investigate further. That's 100% my bad for stating something untrue before.
But for the consideration of everyone else, I've gone ahead and clipped out the majority of the discussion that happened - starting from when you were getting shot at and Husky responded to your report, incl. the discussion afterward.

Upon reviewing that, I think your conduct in this situation was volatile and negative. The way you respond here on your application as well, does not fill me with confidence that you would deal well with players pushing back against you. For those reasons, -1 from me at this time. I'd need to see change in this regard to support your application. I hope you'll consider what I've said as constructive feedback; I have absolutely nothing against you as a person nor as a player.

Spoiler: Husky Zeyalon Thorn report

As for your disagreement with how I handled the micspam incident, this isn't the place for it but I'll clarify briefly to not leave it unaddressed:
I came on the server as Zyp was getting off and was told that they had already had two offenses of micspam (warning gag, round gag), so when they did it again I applied the ban.
Please do not continue this specific discussion on your application, as this is not the place to have this conversation.

 

[rog the dog]

-1

You don't know how to handle being wrong.

 

[ZeyalonTV]

I think you may have me confused with Thorn in the Husky situation, as Thorn was the moderator who handled the report and also responded to you in that discussion. I just happened to be on the server.

That said; I'm sincerely sorry if you felt like the way I responded here was in any way belittling you. That was not my intention. If I did something to make you feel belittled; I'm sorry. I tried to make it clear that I am not out to invalidate what you saw and experienced. That it is and was explicitly fine to disagree with my perspective.
Nevertheless, I would hate to leave it as some false scenario painted to make myself - or anyone else on the staff team - look correct or infallible. So I've gone ahead and dug through my recordings to try and find the situation. I misremembered and did not in fact look at the death scene as it was Thorn who handled the report. Thorn had already closed it by the time I died and I did not investigate further. That's 100% my bad for stating something untrue before.
But for the consideration of everyone else, I've gone ahead and clipped out the majority of the discussion that happened - starting from when you were getting shot at and Husky responded to your report, incl. the discussion afterward.

Upon reviewing that, I think your conduct in this situation was volatile and negative. The way you respond here on your application as well, does not fill me with confidence that you would deal well with players pushing back against you. For those reasons, -1 from me at this time. I'd need to see change in this regard to support your application. I hope you'll consider what I've said as constructive feedback; I have absolutely nothing against you as a person nor as a player.

Spoiler: Husky Zeyalon Thorn report

As for your disagreement with how I handled the micspam incident, this isn't the place for it but I'll clarify briefly to not leave it unaddressed:
I came on the server as Zyp was getting off and was told that they had already had two offenses of micspam (warning gag, round gag), so when they did it again I applied the ban.
Please do not continue this specific discussion on your application, as this is not the place to have this conversation.

So, you expressed yourself incorrectly in your first response and are having to withdraw yet you're convicted in your opinion that my response and reaction aren't professional yet here I am presenting a very professional and respectful manner and handling the situation accordingly. outside of opinions, I disagree with you whole heartedly. Sometimes in a situation like that when someone is blatantly interrupting you and ignoring your very logical reasoning then sometimes with a tone of authority you need to let them know accountability is important in life, if you think a life lesson expressed with a tinge of aggression is volatile then I'm sorry that's your opinion, I didn't discriminate him or call him inappropriate names and I had to stand up for MYSELF while two people blatantly sided together as staff just because they could. and if I mistook you for a different person and thorn was the one there that day, then my apologies. at least you're being honest and that's important to be able to freely give your opinion, as long as you aren't patronizing the person you're talking and talking down to them as if they're not treating you with 100% respect. Respect and honesty are all that's necessary in any situation, I think you may just be upset that I'm not submitting to you're opinion and that's okay. Obviously the situation was severely minor and I feel like the tension has now been increased for absolutely no reason, when you came in full throttle defending him claiming you watched the death scene and patronizing the way I communicated ( even though it was with respect) all just for you to turn around and admit you hadn't even watched the death scene or investigated before your first comment, therefore I believe you made your decision before you even commented the first time. Good day to you.

 

[ZeyalonTV]

-1

You don't know how to handle being wrong.

I'm wrong just because he says I am? he said I was before he even looked at the death scene lol. If I were to kill you just a moment after you've killed a traitor, you wouldn't report me? I didn't even report him, I simply stuck to my opinion and told him to start taking accountability, it's important. that's a respectful thing to say.

 

[ZeyalonTV]

Truly breaks my heart to see these comments, I have a good time on the server on a daily basis and have made several friends. very unfortunate to see a minor situation be used against me like it's anything but minor. but that's what makes a good community is being able to be honest I guess.

 

[Etch-A-Sketch]

-1

This is clearly stated in our rules as to why it's not RDM, This easily proves you don't have the rule knowledge as of yet to be staff, When we are wrong, we are expected to own up to it, Not argue even further.

Change your attitude and look towards the rules.

 

[rog the dog]

I'm wrong just because he says I am? he said I was before he even looked at the death scene lol. If I were to kill you just a moment after you've killed a traitor, you wouldn't report me? I didn't even report him, I simply stuck to my opinion and told him to start taking accountability, it's important. that's a respectful thing to say.

If you keep playing you are going to get killed right after killing a traitor 100 more times because it is 100% okay to do that unless the traitors body is id'd and it's been over 3 seconds.

 

[Agennon]

W

I'm wrong just because he says I am? he said I was before he even looked at the death scene lol. If I were to kill you just a moment after you've killed a traitor, you wouldn't report me? I didn't even report him, I simply stuck to my opinion and told him to start taking accountability, it's important. that's a respectful thing to say.

The kill you're describing there would be handled based on our Grace Period ruling. When you kill a Traitor on our servers there is a three second Grace Period that allows for confused players to not be punished for killing someone that killed a Traitor.

These situations unfold fast, and it can take a few seconds for someone to realize that you killed a Traitor instead of just killing someone.

This does suggest you may be unfamiliar with some of our rules, which is something you'd need to correct before being considered for a Staff role.

 

[Elvis]

Hey man, I am only chiming in here to give my opinion on the matters. I was not involved at all so I am a 3rd party giving an unbiased opinion on the matter.

I strongly encourage you to read our extended rules. It honestly seems like a lot of the confusion here can be addressed just by doing that. You have a terrible attitude about this. Several staff members are trying to explain to you what the rules are. We dont just make up the rules. We follow them just like we enforce them.

Truly breaks my heart to see these comments, I have a good time on the server on a daily basis and have made several friends. very unfortunate to see a minor situation be used against me like it's anything but minor. but that's what makes a good community is being able to be honest I guess.

You are right. This is a minor concern. The way you are acting is making this anything but minor.

 

[Espurr]

I'll be honest, I haven't played too much with you so I was going to remain neutral until I had more time to learn about you.
Your handling of this application draws very large red flags and thus, I will be a -1 for this application at this time.

Your handling on the application and the You vs. Us attitude leaves a very sour taste in my mouth and your handling on evidence brought against you shows a lack of knowledge in the rules. I will not deny this application, but you have a lot of work to do to get back to a positive view of the staff team

 

[RhazhBash]

Truly breaks my heart to see these comments, I have a good time on the server on a daily basis and have made several friends. very unfortunate to see a minor situation be used against me like it's anything but minor. but that's what makes a good community is being able to be honest I guess.

The kill isn't what's being used against you. The issue is how you're handling being confronted on it. The owner already explained why it's not RDM to kill someone for gunning down a traitor, and had you accepted that the server rules the kill as legal and moved on nobody would have an issue. Trying to argue what is and isn't RDM with the people who define RDM gets you nowhere.

I honestly supported you at first. You seemed pretty chill and I hadn't had any problems with you, but a staff member needs to be able to handle being in the wrong. Imagine if you made a bad call on an RDM report and got reported on the forums, or if you forgot to warn for a jihad and killed your T buddies? If that happens to a staff member we'd want someone who can admit they made the wrong decision and move on instead of going to the ends of the earth trying to justify their decision.

Getting killed by Husky is irrelevant at this point. If you ever wanna be staff here you need to show that you can handle being called out for a mistake.

-1

 

[Muffin]

-1. Definitely not the energy we try to present to the community.

Not perfectly understanding the rules is fine and is not expected from an applicant, but a good attitude and positive demeanor is.

 

[ZeyalonTV]

Well I respect your Opinions, and you are correct as I have seen the rule stated here

1. Grace Period
   • You may be killed for a traitorous act for up to 3 seconds after identifying a traitor’s body.

he did not see me kill the body. this is what you're not understanding, he didn't even see a traitorous act. and began shooting, but I see where you all stand.

 

[ZeyalonTV]

I will still stand on my opinion and I'll gladly take the -1 if that's truly how you feel, but not even witnessing the kill and just walking into a situation and pulling the trigger has always been seen as RDM and is treated so daily on the server as I have witnessed with my own 2 eyes . So no matter what, respectfully, as I have been this whole time, I'll stick to my opinion here.